Open thread: Real-world advice to consider if you’re NEW to your OLD house and contemplating a kitchen remodel

1960s-modern-kitchen-remodelSo this week I made a new Retro Kitchens Page aimed at helping helping readers get started with a kitchen remodel. Importantly, it shares some of my experienced aimed in particular at folks who are NEW to their OLD house and contemplating a kitchen makeover. My kinda major focus is… take your time. I came up with eight items. But, I want to make this the best page/advice possible. So today, OPEN THREAD: Readers, what else can we advise folks who are new to their old house and who are contemplating what to do with the kitchen? Above: Reader Rebecca recently finished a retro remodel; her story is in the pipeline. I bet she can add to the 411.

Here’s my start at it:

Some of my thoughts if you are NEW to your OLD house and contemplating a kitchen remodel:

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  1. Environmental and safety issues come first. Vintage houses can contain vintage nastiness such as lead, asbestos, and more. Consult with properly licensed professionals to know what is in your house, and how to make informed decisions about how to handle.
  2. If you are new to your old kitchen — go slow. Before you proceed thinking you need a gut remodel, for instance, get to know your kitchen first. Live in it a year to get to know its flow. Get to know its original style and features. Get to know your “Retro Kitchen Style” — because not all retro is alike. It may turn out that, once you learn about the original features in your retro kitchen, you might come to love them — and you may not need to spend the money, and endure the aggravation of a major remodel.
  3. vintage-formica-catalog 1938Consider updates that are in harmony with the original architecture of your house. Sure, an original retro kitchen may be “dated.” But every kitchen is dated. For example: Don’t kid yourself: Put a 2013 kitchen in your 1955 house… and in a few years that 2013 kitchen will be “dated”, too — and, dated to the wrong year. But, put in a kitchen that is harmonious with the original 1955 architecture – and at least its date will match the date of the house. “Yes, but what about ‘resale’?” folks always ask. Well, my point of view is: Mid century houses are now old enough to be considered “historic”, either officially or non-officially. “Historical restorations” or period-appropriate remodels are desirable to folks who are “into” old houses. And, you can do a period remodel that isn’t “over the top” — one that’s kind of “flexible” (this is what I did with my three bathrooms.) On the other hand, going back to our example, a 2013 kitchen in a 1955 house is unlikely to appeal to a shopper 10 years from now who is into what’s new in 2023; in reality, your financial loss* (*See item #5, below) on your fabulous 2013 kitchen remodel will only grow each and year thereafter, especially if you put in “trendy” 2013 stuff.  And finally, mind you, “trendier” has a shorter lifespan every year. Disclaimer, thought: All this is IMHO, do not consider this financial advice, this is something you need to do your own research and consult with your own professionals on, based on your market conditions.
  4. edges-for-vintage-laminate-countersHumble materials – This point kind of goes with the one above. Many — probably “most” — mid century and older houses were decorated with materials that *today* would be considered kind of… low brow. Things like: Simple wood kitchen cabinets… laminate counter tops… vinyl flooring… even knotty pine. This is pretty much opposite of what the “mainstream market” wants to sell you today — (more expensive) granite… marble… blinged out cabinetry. I personally found it a relief not to have to spec out my kitchen to “Keep up with the Joneses.” My kitchen “fits” with the rest of my (humble materials) house. And by skipping the luxe, I think I saved a lot of money.
  5. money pitRecognize that most major remodels are a bad financial “investment”. Data indicate that most homeowners will not recover the cost of a major kitchen renovation when they to go re-sell. Read my story looking at the annual research — and be aware.
  6. Save your time, energy and money for the final fix. Unless there is a safety or environmental issue involved, I am not one for putting a drop of money into a space as a “stop gap measure” while we agonize over the big picture plan. Okay, I might paint the wall (off white), so that I can “see” the space better so I can figure out what I want. My husband is really good about reminding me: An old house is a time and money pit constantly presenting costly surprises. Be careful about squandering on half measures. ‘Invest’ in making plans that will endure for years… and then spend the time, energy and money — once.
  7. Get a subscription to Consumer Reports. When you are in spending mode like this, your head will spin. As far as I know, Consumer Reports is the only resource out there to do testing to try and really triangulate to “value”.
  8. Disclaimer and clarification to all of the above: I am not a contractor, an architect, a designer, a real estate expert or variant of some such profession. I am writing this from my perspective as an owner of four old houses over my lifetime, and as a blogger who has been writing on this topic for about six years. Do your own research… identify and engage your own properly licensed professionals… make thoughtful decisions that are right for you.

As you can see, I’m focused on the “planning” stage — not on prescribing specific solutions or “what to do’s”. Readers, I welcome your thoughts and experiences!

Readers, what else can we advise folks who are new to their old house and who are contemplating a kitchen remodel?

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Comments

  1. Eliza says

    I would really like to get rid of the {edited} mini-blinds in my kitchen – but i’ve been forced to recognize that the original owners knew what they were doing when they put them in. The sun pours through those windows all morning and is blinding when the blinds are open, so the {edited} mini-blinds stay. Some stuff in your old kitchen may not be what you want, but it may be what your kitchen needs.

  2. Kim McDonald says

    One of the best ways to update your retro look is to hire workmen who are baby boomers or older themselves, and who “get it”. I hired a 70 year old semi-retired plasterer who originally did all the swilrl ceilings in my developement when he was 25. Ok it helps if you are a native to your town and know some of the people–ask around.. Also when it came to my real wood kitchen cabinets that I loved they looked a little worn and tired. I called a cabinet woodworking shop and had them come in and restain them. They took the doors to the shop, and hand sanded the frames in my home. It was only minimally dusty and now they look like new. Don’t over think the details like new handles-if you work full time like me you will just make yourself crazy. As Pam says keep with your time period and style of your house and it will be easier. Have fun, and don’t think you have to do it all overnight.

  3. says

    “If you are new to your old kitchen — go slow. Before you proceed thinking you need a gut remodel, for instance, get to know your kitchen first. Live in it a year to get to know its flow.”

    THAT is the single best piece of advice out there. Don’t get caught up in the hype of the home improvement stores and the TV shows they sponsor. It’s your house, and as long as it works for you, that’s what’s important.

    The only thing I would add is to pay attention to the underlying problems: If your sink is slow to fill or slow to drain, it’s not the sink’s fault – it could be elderly galvanized steel pipes, a clogged drain, or even just an aerator that needs a clean out.

    If an oven or burner doesn’t work, check the clock on the stove – those old “meal minder” options have fooled many people into scrapping perfectly nice stoves. (It should be set on “manual” to get the stuff to work). Old broiler and oven elements sometimes simply need to be pushed in to their socket better. If your stove has a deep well, keep an inch of water in it so that if it gets turned on by accident it would scorch the well.

    Adding electrical outlets may not be that big a deal – especially for an experienced electrician, or even a DIY’er (just make sure you get it permitted and inspected).

    Old refrigerators that predate “Frost Free” features are just as efficient as today’s – you just have to remember to defrost them.

    Get to know your house and put all that energy into gardening and decorating before embarking on any major renovations.

  4. says

    Hi Pam. It has been said over and over again, “live with it.” I did freshen up of a mid-century modern kitchen that had been freshened up. Mine didn’t fit the period at all and in fact was in total conflict. I am ashamed!!! Well, it was way before your time (e.g. blogging), so I didn’t have the kind of awesome resources that exist today. I am going to do it one more time, with feeling… but I am going really slow and thinking it through. How can I retain the mid-century vibe of the house, but still get the update and benefits of today. This is a post I wrote about my failed kitchen remodel. **sniff** … hopefully when I finish, it will be retro renovation worthy. 🙂
    http://www.midcenturymodernremodel.com/2013/02/mid-century-modern-kitchen-tour-before-remodel-pictures.html

  5. Lena_P says

    I’ve never owned a home, but I’ve “helped” with quite a few renovations. One VERY important thing is plan the layout first, especially with a kitchen or bath. I don’t care if your kitchen is made from solid gold, it’s no good if the food prep area is ten feet away from the stove and the dishwasher opens in front of a door! Think about HOW you use a room before how you want it to look.

    Use graphing paper to sketch out your layout exactly and imagine moving through it. If you have a hard time visualizing the 2D drawing as 3D space, cut an oval about the same size as you (I’m about 20 inches by 15 inches as a broad-shouldered and busty woman) and any other people likely to use the space (24 inches by 15 inches for a man, maybe 15 by 12 for a kid). Now move the ovals through the space as though they were cooking pasta or making brownies or eating over the sink. Does the layout make sense for how you’re actually going to use the space? Is the counter where you need it? Would tall, shallow cabinets work better? How deep do your drawers really have to be? When my mom did her kitchen, the cabinet maker tried to convince her she needed drawers at least 12 inches deep for her pots. She wanted them nine inches deep, and measured one of her deepest pots in front of him to convince him it really was only six inches deep. He admitted she was right, and she got three drawers under her stove instead of two, increasing her storage by 50%.

  6. says

    I have to say Pam, I have taken your remodel advice to heart, and not painted just to change the color as a hold over until we can stomach the thought of ripping out our cheaply remodeled kitchen (it screams flip, but was done by the previous owner) in our 1929 Spanish style. Our approach has been to do one room at a time. We’ve lived here almost three years, and have a pretty good idea of how to improve our kitchen, when the time comes. As far as period appropriate, with lighting and things like replastering, we’ve purchased things that are period appropriate, but we like. For the plastering, we’ve had the original ceilings that were falling down, ripped out and replaced with plaster, so that it looks exactly how it was when it was built. We had the ugly flip and not suitable fireplace ripped out, and an original plaster fireplace and mantle with quoin work made to replace. It’s always a shock to the wallet to go back to original, but it feels right, and although our home is modest, we do feel we are caretakers for the future. As far as resale value, we probably won’t get our money back, but we live here, and enjoy it, we love our house. That’s what it’s about. Love where you live.

  7. Tikitacky says

    My advice before making unfortunate choices for your kitchen (or wherever) because you aren’t finding what you want on Craigslist or at the ReStore, search outside those standard parameters. I have found four 50s light fixtures, a full Homecrest patio set, a steel bathroom vanity and the three fixtures that surround it, a pink and black chrome dinette with the laminate in a pattern i have NEVER seen before along with the four chairs in the same pattern, all from (are you ready?) haunting the real estate listings. Yep. Religiously search for homes for sale that are of the same time period as yours and you will find houses that haven’t been flipped. But sadly, the chances are that they will be. Those great things that we want? They will more often than not go in the trash, so contact the listing agent and ask that they pass your contact info on to their client (the seller) as well as to the buyer’s agent when the house sells, offering to purchase the items you want. Only twice has this not worked for me. And both times my offer wasn’t declined, I just didn’t hear anything; I suspect my contact info wasn’t passed on to the buyers in those instances. I don’t know if that is really on topic, but I have had phenomenal luck with this system and can only recommend that if you’re trying to restore your Mid Century treasure, it’s worth investigating this avenue. On a side note, we are tearing our kitchen out because although it is original(ish), like the issue a previous poster had, the heavily painted wood cabinets (or which there is ONE full upper in the whole kitchen) have shelves that barely allow for a 24 oz can. No cooking oil, not even a box of Bisquick fits. We found a full St Charles steel kitchen that someone tore out for a ‘remodel’. So although we are gutting, when it’s all said and done, no one but us will ever know!

  8. Samantha Anastasiou says

    I just want to chime in, with something about insurance companies. Never let them force you to throw out your kitchen cabinets if you don’t want to! My home had custom maple cabinets built on spot, which a lot of homes did, solid wood. Instead of having them refinished, they made me get new ones, which were top of the line. They are not solid wood, and after a few years really start showing it. =(
    I regret not keeping my cabinets and standing my ground!!

  9. Evie says

    Great timing for me on this article. We’ve decided to move from our 1958 ranch to a 1965 ranch hopefully by the end of summer. We know the house as it belongs to friends. I remodeled our 1958 about 14 years ago and still love it. There were so many issues with the old kitchen that we did a total reno with new maple frameless cabinets, blue glitter booths and counter high stools, formica, checker board corn/wheat VCT–still love it. Can’t take the furniture to the new place, won’t fit. I initially thought I’d have the 1965 kitchen ripped out–non-standard counter height and no place for a dishwasher right now. I’m having second thoughts about ripping it out, just don’t want to spend the money and don’t want to lose the vintage formica counter tops. I’m resigning myself to no dishwasher (pssst, don’t tell hubby). The cabinets are really dark stain and that is really depressing to me. Thinking about painting them but the corgi jumps at them and there’s no stopping him. Not sure what I’m going to do, but I’m not going to rush into it! I’ll continue reading here for all the great advice and info!

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