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Here are quotes, only slightly edited, taken from my conversation with Bill Rapp, president and co-owner of Vance Industries… For this first story, I did not take out very much – I wanted to capture it all:

What you call a “hudee ring” was patented in 1948 by Walter A. Selck, of the Walter Selck Co. The name ‘hudee’, as I understand it, came from the combination of the names of the two engineers who worked on the product. One of them was named Hudek, I think, I am not sure of the other. “Hudee” was the working name of the product while they worked on it.

Once the product was introduced, Walter Selck realized immediately that what he had. Understand, that in postwar America, it was the coming of the Formica top. And the big problem for using sinks and mounting them in the new tops was that underneath that laminate was plywood, then particle board.  Plastic (laminate countertops) was impervious to water, but plywood was not. It would separate when exposed to water.

I neeeeeeeeed a "Hudee Handbook"!

Going one step further back in time – before plastic countertops were introduced — countertops were made of linoleum-type materials, and used a steel edge band. And we had mostly drainboard sinks. But with the postwar advent of the dishwasher, and as a cost issue, male designers took out the drainboards.  [Bill explains he uses the word “male”, because those drainboards are still great, even if you have a dishwasher. As in: Only a man would have thought to do away with drainboard sinks/ I agree.]

[Bill further explains that at the same time, women wanted their sinks to be flush with the countertop, so that they could brush scraps right into the sink. Hence: the need for the metal sink rim.]

With great success of the sink-rim product Walter Selck could hardly keep up. So he opened up the competition and licensed his patent to other companies.

Vance Industries was founded in 1949 in Evanston, Illinois. and started manufacturing sink rims. Royalties were paid to Selck on everything that we produced and sold.

Between 1950 and the mid-to-late 60s, use of the sink frame was nearly universal, there no other way to do it. I started with Vance in 1972, there were about eight companies that manufactured sink frames then. At that point, Selck was not the biggest. The largest was probably the R.D. Werner Company. Go to a big box retailer and you can still see their ladders today.  As the sink frame business was shrinking  Vance bought their sink frame business. Kincaid Manufacturing was another company that made sink frames. They were subsequently bought by a plumbing group that became part of Kohler.  At that point, we picked up the sink frame business from them.

Even then, we knew there would be a sunset to the sink rim product, as self-rimming sinks started getting more popular in the 60s. To diversify, in 1970 we started producing our “Surface Saver”, which required a sink frame to install in the countertop. Also in the 60s, we began manufacturing stainless steel sinks. By the 1970s, using sinks that required metal sink rims became the least expensive way to install a sink. It became more limited for use in manufactured housing and mobile homes, concerned about saving a couple of nickels.

Today, we are the “Galactic Leader” in metal sink frames, although we don’t rely on this business for the majority of our sales anymore. While we show a limited number of sizes on our website, we can make a sink frame any size, although we can’t change the radius of the bend.  Our sink frame manufacturing is based in Niles, Ill. It’s 1940s technology – back when we made lots of these sparks flying from welding and grinding, it was great.

Our Surface Saver® built-in cutting boards are still an excellent solution to repairing laminate countertops damaged by hot pots and pans or from knife mars.  Rather than replacing the entire top, the damaged area can be cut out and a Surface Saver® installed. The Surface Saver® is an excellent sanitary food prep surface as well as a cutting board and trivet. The board is a tempered glass product, not porous.  These days we’re selling a few more: It’s not a dominant business for us, but certainly worth staying in it.  We were the first company to do a tempered glass food prep surface, and this ran very well for us for many years. We also had been selling metal rims for Corning’s Countersaver product. When Corning shut down their flat glass manufacturing in the 1980s, and started buying the glass from us it was a transformational moment for us.

In the late 60s and early 70s and advertising being king, we launched a campaign, “You Should Meet Vicki Vance.”

Yes, sex to sell hudees.

The people who bought and used our products where plumbers and plumbing wholesalers.  We used this promotion to set up a personal relationship between Vicki and the plumber. If they bought enough they would get photo of Vicki that was personalized.

We bought 1,000 8×10 wood picture frames, the sales manager’s wife would sign the photos. It became THE promotion, really pushed Vance way up on the list of preferred supplier.

Today Vance focuses on sink mounting hardware both for top mounted sinks as well as undermounted models. And, we make sink frames, which are produced exclusively in the U.S. of U.S. stainless steel.

Note, that sink frame installation is still the best way to install a sink. There are a couple of reasons why: When you put the sink frame in, you can tighten it down very tight with no damage to the sink or countertops. Also, if a countertop is not exactly level, the stainless steel rim is flexible enough to still tighten it down watertight. Installation with a sink frame is pretty easy, compared to undermounting. And the frame is stainless, it outlasts.

We discuss removing an existing hudee ring:

Don’t use a screwdriver to pull it out. Get underneath and loosen the lug bolts. Then get in with a knife… it is possible to do it.

Where to get new installation clips if you are installing a vintage hudee-ringed sink and the clips are gone?

There were certain standards, and if somebody needs a pack – we will have a clip to install it.

And, Vance *only* has 18 sizes of sink rims aka Hudee rings on its website. What if readers want to order a one in a different size?

Yes, we can do it. We have one employee who spends full time making them… He’s 65…. Nobody retires here anymore. We’re all retro.

Bill Rapp
President and CEO
Vance Industries

To steal a phrase from Kate McKinnon, I am so happy to live in a universe that includes hudee rings, Vicki Vance, sales managers’ wives who signed provocative promotional literature circa 1970 – and people like Bill Rapp who are happy to help us capture all this history. Thank you, Bill!

Peoples: Did you read the above? —> Vance Industries will make you a hudee ring in any size you need. Here’s their website: Vance Industries.

Here at Retro Renovation, we are the Galactic Leaders in chronicling hudee rings. Here are some related posts:

• The proper spelling of  hootie [sic] ring is uncovered - and one of my ads reports there were 1,062 different sizes!
• Can I save my hudee ring? – in which John of deabath.com revives the plumbers’ name for this device
• Do you need clips? (Yes – and Vance sells these, too) 
• A kitchen sink from Kohler that still uses a metal sink frame
• Several bathroom sinks form Kohler that still use a metal sink frame
• Jon gets credit for discovering Vance Industries, and installs a Surface Saver, too

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I recently became aware of two more retro bathroom faucets — the Metropolitan series from Elements of Design. Golly gee, they look very similar to my longtime favorites, the Mississippi faucets by Strom Plumbing/Sign of the Crab.  I am not expert or patient enough to try and discern the quality / cost differences. Nor have I seen the Metropolitans in person. I have had two of the 8″ Mississippi sets in my bathrooms since about 2003, and I quite adore them. Note also, there are a variety of finishes and handles to mix and match. You also can get tub/shower sets.

Where to buy: 

• To start, take a look on Amazon, where you might be able to spot the best prices — and disclosure, I get a spiff if you buy after clicking in from these Amazon links. For example:
• Here is the EOD’s Metropolitan 4″ Faucet …
• EOD’s Metropolitan 8″ Faucet
• Strom’s Mississippi 8″ Faucet with Cross Handles
• Strom’s 8″ Faucet with Lever Handles
• Strom’s 4″ set

If you cannot find the finish or design that you via Amazon, then type the model number of the faucet (I put them in the main photo, above)  into Google, and you’ll bring up these faucets from a variety of retailers.

• Original source of the Mississippi (haha):  Strom Plumbing/Sign of the Crab catalog.
• Original source of the Metropolitan: Elements of Design bathroom faucets.

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