Report #3 on their new Retro Renovation journey
While Pam and I were off enjoying ourselves at The Hukilau, Mike and Lindsey were up to their eyeballs in work, continuing the fast-paced the restoration of their Edward Durell Stone House of Good Taste. And, they experienced their first unexpected expense. In today’s installment — the third in the series — Mike and Lindsey share the tale. And, they ask for our ideas for a secondary flooring material to complement the original terrazzo floors in many other parts of this gorgeous 1964 house.
Our heads have been spinning the last few weeks with all the progress on the house and craziness in our lives. Terrazzo floors are finished (note: Mike will be giving us the full run down about the floor refinishing process in the next House of Good Taste update) and have been covered for the rest of construction, the kitchen build out is just about finished, we are starting to pack up our current home, and move in is only five weeks away.
With the demo completed, our first task included electrical and wall/ceiling work. We placed the carpet back down over the terrazzo to protect it during what we knew would be messy stages of construction. We probably won’t see them again for a while :(. With our house in shambles, we have already looked at each other a few times and said, “what have we gotten ourselves into?” Truth be told, I think we both secretly love a little chaos in our lives.
This next phase has brought us both good and bad news. The good news is that our current home went under contract before it hit the market! Our realtor has some clients that he suspected might love our house and he was right, we got a full price offer and the best part is that they love our two vintage pink bathrooms. We’ll get to the bad news in a bit.
We realize electrical and drywall work don’t carry a whole lot of retro fun, but bear with us through these nuts and bolts stages, we know the fun stuff is just around the corner.
Electrical
We initially though that the scope of electrical work would be fairly minor, but after being able to spend some time in the home we realized that the lighting situation was a bit of a mess and we had an opportunity to use the lighting to accent the special features of this home. This was our first taste of “might as well do it the way we want it and not regret it later” aka “we are going to blow our budget”. Because the house has a flat top roof, we really do need to do all electrical work now, as you can not just drop in new electrical in from the attic at a future date. Adding new electrical later would mean having opening up the walls and ceilings.
The plan consist of layered ambient and accent lighting. For ambient lighting will be installing 4″ LED recessed cans down the hallway from the front door and in the kitchen, 4 strategically placed pendant lights in the main living areas, and ceiling fans with lights in each of the bedrooms. Accent lighting will consist of wall sconces down the hallway, 12 strategically placed 4″ recessed gimbal lights that will illuminate the interior stone walls and fireplace, and redoing the lighting in the recessed ceiling that currently utilizes florescent tubes to make it softer and dim-able. We also want all of these areas to be independently controllable and dim-able, which means going from about 4 switches that controls everything to 15 switches and figuring out where to put them so they make sense, all at the same time of having to work around all the stone walls.
So what was the “bad news” we mentioned earlier?… we had our first OOPS :(. With not having any prior experience with a flat top roof home, we had the scraping of all the popcorn ceilings done as part of the demo. Well, after the first week of electrical work we realized that it would take about a month to finish all the wiring unless we pulled most of the ceilings and walls completely down. Without access from a attic, we had no idea what anything looked like behind the drywall and we were running into issue after issue with the framing and how the original electrical was done. So with humble sadness we were forced to pull down nearly all of the freshly scrapped ceilings and a whole lot of the walls too…. OOPS. But in the end it was probably a good thing as we found several areas of unsafe electrical and some termite damage we were able to repair, which we never would have known about if we did not pull down the ceilings.
- Precautionary Pam reminds: Readers, the layers of our of old houses may contain vintage nastiness such as lead and asbestos; be sure to consult with your own properly licensed professionals to determine what you are working with so that you can make informed decisions. Please also know, I do not permit such advice to be doled out on the blog — again, get with your own pros regarding what is in your house.
- Editor’s note #2: “Unexpected costs” are to be expected, yup: See our story about readers’ 140 real life stories about surprise home repairs.
Floating out the walls and ceilings
The house has a mixture of wall textures from room to room, and one of the things we personally don’t care for is heavy wall texture. We have seen a few homes with completely smooth walls and ceilings (not just drywall with no texture, but fully floated out), and we felt they would really look great in this space. We agreed that having flat walls would only enhance the texture provided by the stone walls. Floating walls is a labor intensive process that will require at least three coats and sanding between each coat. We are crossing our fingers that it turns out the way we imagine in our heads. One bright side, pulling down so much of the existing drywall for electrical, allows the floating process to go much faster with the new drywall. Those areas will not need the existing texture knocked down and should require less coats.
Flooring!!??
With the house tore up and feeling like it may never be put back together, we have attempted to distract ourselves with flooring decisions and researching companies who specialize in terrazzo restoration. The terrazzo covers the entire open living area but the rest of the floors are just bare slab. We thought the Retro Renovation community might have a few thoughts on what to do with the rest of the floors? We generally prefer only one or two flooring types in a home, so we are hoping to find one material that will work in the entire rest of the house rooms. We also do not want anything that will visually compete with the terrazzo. So what are your thoughts on a good secondary floor that might complement terrazzo?
midmichigan says
The stonework looks great with the terrazzo but you have a lot of hard surfaces. Maybe complementing carpeting would throw in a bit of softness and sound control that would work. I don’t know when your home was built, but MCM homes back in early 60’s were moving to “wall to wall” carpeting that was considered “luxurious” for the time. It was a very short pile (not the shag of the late 60’s) carpeting mostly of earth tones. Having the carpeting installed could quickly solve the floor problem so you can move forward on other tasks.
midmichigan says
Ah, 1964. Sorry. We built one in ’62.
Kirsten says
I think your answer is right there in your photograph! A light, warm wood would work perfectly for the rest of the house. It wouldn’t compete with the stone or terrazzo or any color changes and it’s period specific. You don’t want the wood to be too dark or too wide, but you will need some warmth to carry it off, I think. But (as my first example shows) you can even play the pattern off the stone and terrazzo!
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Tikitacky says
How I adore trough lighting! Lucky!
Scott says
Normally I’m a let’s add more color kind of guy but I think you are making all the right decisions going with what will make the stone and terrazzo the star.
If possible I’d try to compliment those shades as opposed to contrasting them with the new areas as then you will be free to go any direction with the furnishings, light or dark woods, neutral or bright colors, unlimited possibilities.
Mike says
Thoughts about flooring:
You’re doing your best to bring your home to it’s original mid mod glory, and I say you can go retro or decide to be a little expressive here and there. I’m drawn to the new wood laminates on the market. Honestly, a little warmth of color on a floor or two may make a huge impact, and sort of “frame” your terrazzo in a way you’ve yet to imagine.
You have much stonework in your home (which is awesome), and perhaps the warmth of wood will liven it up a bit.
ineffablespace says
How would you feel about black? Amtico Glint Void – black with white speckles
Or there is Marmoleum Walton Uni which is a solid color (no marbling) in three greys and a black.
RD says
Area rugs could soften the slate too, both visually and physically if you felt it was too hard. It could also be a way to add contrast without committing to contrast in your flooring choice.
Beautiful house. Absolutely beautiful. Should’ve said that first, but I was so inspired by the question that I forgot my manners.
RD says
Perhaps a gray tile or stone like slate? From the pictures it looks like there is gray in the terrazzo. If so, picking that up in another material would tie the floors together without contrasting too greatly with the current floor. I normally love wood, but with the stone walls and the cool-tone floors, I’m not sure I would love wood floors in this house. Also, visually, warm colors appear to be closer and I wonder if a wood floor would look somewhat higher than the adjacent terazzo, even if it wasn’t. At any rate, a warm color will certainly catch the eye before the cool-toned floor, which, I would think defeat the purpose of showing off the beauty of the terrazzo.
Kelli says
I agree… my first thought was grey slate. I wouldn’t want to compete with those wonderful terrazzo floors!
Melissa says
Thank you all for the wonderful posts! They are a thrill to read especially now that we are contemplating our own MCM home purchase. Regarding your flooring options, there are literally to many too list but I would suggest considering the longevity of your new floor. Since your home is built on a concrete slab, you will need to utilize a “floating” floor if you are considering wood, laminate and/or cork. None of which are perfect but can compliment your existing terrazzo. The main issue with these floors is that they will need to be replaced in the next 5 to 15 years (give or take a few years depending upon the product). Tile & stained concrete will provide additional longevity but will not be as “soft” as the previously mentioned products. One of my clients owned a stunning MCM home that contained the original cork floors (it appeared to be some sort of sheet material with lovely patina), terrazzo and cross-grain cut travertine. The mix of the 3 was absolutely stunning. I especially liked the cross-grain travertine because of the added texture & it complimented the warm tones found in the cork & terrazzo. I hope this blurb helps and doesn’t further complicate your selection process. Best of luck & I am looking forward to the rest of the remodel!
Mike and Lindsey says
Thank you for the kind words
Our hesitation with wood is that it would have to be engineered glue down install. Our experience with wood floors in our last two homes is that they were original nail down solid planks on a conventional foundation, one a 1929 home and one a 1949. We love how those wood floors look and feel and engineered over slab is just not close to the same, I think we would be disappointed in them compared to what we are used to. No offense against engineered wood floors but they just are not the same
Chase says
Is your slab level with the Terrazzo? If not, a true/solid wood floor can be installed over a plywood subfloor that has been attached to the concrete. If you do a quick google search for installing hardwood over concrete slab you’ll find some diagrams and methods for it.
sara says
I’ve seen some gorgeous concrete finishes if you wanted to try just going with the concrete slabs. One of my neighbors acid washed his basement floor and used a stain/sealer on it. I wish I had a picture. It’s really beautiful.