What’s… retro… vintage… antique? Stephan illuminates

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Sumac Sue recently sent this great question:

“Hi. My husband asked me this weekend, just what is the origin of the word retro? Is it short for retroactive, or retrograde?

Then we came up with more questions — does retro refer to a certain era of design, such as the 40s through 60s, or is Victorian every bit as retro as the 50s? How do the words retro and vintage compare in meaning?

If you’ve already talked about this subject elsewhere on your site, just point me in that direction. Otherwise, can you enlighten us, as well as your other readers?”

Of course, I turned to Palm Springs Stephan, font of all real knowledge, to help. He responded immediately, mentioning that he had taken many years of college Latin (of course!).

Here’s what he had to say:

Where ‘retro’ came from
“The word “retro” is Latin. It is used only as a prefix and suggests the past or looking/going backwards.

“But according to Wikipedia … sometimes an accurate source and sometimes not … the current usage of the stand-alone word “retro” stems from its use by NASA in the 1950s and 1960s to refer to retro-rockets, which reversed the direction of a spacecraft.

“But Wiki also says that its use in a cultural context (design, aesthetics) stemmed from the French term “retrospectif,” literally “looking backwards” and commonly abbreviated as simply “retro.” The abbreviated term became popular in France in the 1970s to describe French fashion, and moved into English usage through the fashion-related press. Thereafter, it began to be used to describe the revival of anything from the recent and nostalgic past.

“Wikipedia is a very “iffy” source for valid and trustworthy information, but I have to say that in this instance their explanation seems very plausible.

Proper use of Retro
“‘Retro’ is usually used to refer to the revival of things from the recent past, as I said before. I tend to think of “retro” as applying to something that was popular earlier in our own lifetime … something that we might have had a previous personal experience of or with. For many of us, that includes the 1950s and 1960s. For a smaller number, it would also include the 1940s.

…Of Vintage
“But the Victorian period is not ‘retro’ since there are very few people around who have first-hand experience of that period (pre-1901, technically). In fact, the term ‘Victorian’ is self-defining.
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…Of Antique
“Terms like ‘antique’ are more general and can include both early retro and Victorian, as well as other periods. But ‘Victorian’ is very specific
, and it is also several eras “pre-retro” (before Edwardian, Art Nouveau, Art Deco, Arts and Crafts, and Streamline).

Vintage blunders
“Vintage: the usage of this word drives me NUTS!,” Stephen says.

It is a personal pet peeve. Too many people use it to describe anything that even APPEARS more than 5 minutes old. A VHS cassette tape is now “vintage,” according to some people!!! But the word is taken directly from winemaking (a winemaker is a vintner) and refers to the year in which a wine was “laid down,” or put in wooden casks and stored for proper aging (vin is French for wine, as I’m sure you know, and age is also a French word, therefore “vintage” means literally the “wine’s age.”). In my humble and over-educated opinion, the word “vintage” should never be used without a year attached to it, e.g., “vintage 1958.” But that’s just me. A lot of people, especially on eBay, use “vintage” to hype up whatever they are selling and to make it seem more valuable. My favorite is “vintage reproduction.” I see that one a lot. It’s a meaningless oxymoron that makes me laugh.

…and Antique exaggerations
“Ditto antique.’ Technically, nothing is antique until is ‘of a good old age’ (Oxford Dictionary of the English Language). Cars must be 25 years old before they can legitimately be called ‘antique.’ But I tend to think of ‘antique’ as older
than me … and thus over 50 years old. Though I have recently been called an ‘antique’ myself!”

That sounded really good to me, but I also asked the Professor whether the 1980s or even shoulder pads of the 90s could be considered retro. As I wrote, I got the heebie jeebies.

Scarey as it is,” he said, “yes, things from the 1970s and 1980s are now legitimately ‘retro.‘”

Merci beaucoup to both Stephan and Sumac Sue!

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Comments

  1. Sumac Sue says

    Thanks, Pam and Stephan, for this informative and entertaining post.

    We really feel enlightened now on retro, vintage, and other terms. We hadn’t thought of words like retro-rockets and retrospectif, but Stephan’s findings makes us say, bien sur! Or, duh! Why didn’t we think of that?

    The photos really bring it home, in a complex way. There are Wernher von Braun and Brigette Bardot, part of what we now view as a retro era. Yet, at that time, they were on the forefront of change in their fields. But, those forward-moving fields were defining themselves with words containing retro! Retro is complicated.

    I understand Stephan’s feelings about the misuse of the word vintage. It bugs me that just about anything gets called vintage if the paint is chipped. I admit I find myself tossing the word around when I’m not sure of a better description. I think this post will help me a lot in describing things from now on. Thanks to both of you.

  2. Ronn says

    “It’s not that complicated. “Retro” means new products
    designed to look like or copy old products. They are items
    designed to cash in on nostalgia. “Vintage” means 25 years old
    but not 100 years old. “Antique” (in this country) means 100+
    years old, except for autos, which must be 25+ years old.
    (“Antique” in China means 500+ years old.)

    That’s it.

    Ronn Ives of FUTURES Antiques”

  3. Pat says

    I agree with Ronn. That’s why it drives me crazy on eBay when someone advertises something as retro, and it’s actually an old item. Retro is a new item made to look like old items. And I agree that vintage is used way too much, how can the 1990’s stuff be vintage!!!!

  4. Betty Eigen says

    I have an early 1960’s pink double wall Modern Maid oven that still works (plus the manuals that came with it) that I am no longer using. If you are interested I will e mail pictures.

    • pam kueber says

      Hi Betty — all buying and selling takes place on our Forum. Add your listing and photos there… Go to Other Stuff / Kitchens: http://retrorenovation.com/forum

      New readers – please no buying and selling on the main site… go straight to the Forum. Thank you!

  5. says

    Oh this is fun. I have always been taught that something is not antique until is has attained 100 years – hence at 50 we sent my parents ‘half an antique’ birthday cards…. Retro can be repro whereas I would expect ‘vintage’ to be the genuine article. Also I think what qualifies as ‘vintage’ in the colloquial use depends on your age. I have a neice who finds all things 80’s positively historical… but then she was born in 1993….. It’s a relative thing. But if she asks to borrow any shoes from my wardrobe for her history class she’s dust! t.x

  6. John says

    I agree on retro with Ronn for the most part. Reproductions are excluded from this because generally they are made from the exact forms from an earlier period or have taken an original and made an exact copy. To me an item is retro if the makers make something that didnt exist, but has a look of something that did. Jukebox casset players in the 80s and pink flamingo neon lights come to mind. I dont care for retro and it is overused along with vintage in my opinion. I definately agree vintage should come with a date. Vintage 1956 GE wall mount refrigerator, etc… thats why i tell people I will be doing a vintage restoration of my house. Using the original plans and vintage 1950s products where possible, reproductions where it isnt possible. I will have my house as much like it was at the time it was built as possible. I think this is a great post Pam there is a lot of confusion out there. Educate and inspire, what this site is all about.

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